Overcoming State Sovereignty Barriers

Summary

State sovereignty under the Eleventh Amendment can limit federal court jurisdiction, but it doesnt usually bar subject matter jurisdiction in federal question cases. Exceptions include Congressional abrogation, state waiver, and the Ex parte Young doctrine for injunctive relief against state officials. The Rooker-Feldman doctrine doesnt apply if a state appeal is pending, as theres no final judgment. For monetary relief, consider suing state officials under 42 U.S.C. § 1983. If a federal complaint is dismissed due to Rooker-Feldman, clarify the non-final status of state appeals. Consider Rule 60(b)(1) for relief if incorrect precedent was used.

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yes, my complaint was rejected due to subject matter jurisdiction based on state sovereign immunity

It sounds like your case was dismissed due to the Eleventh Amendment, which provides states with sovereign immunity from being sued in federal court without their consent. This can be a complex area of law.
Are you considering appealing the decision or pursuing your case in a different way?

no, i am looking at ways in which eleventh amendment sovereignty can be overcome

- The Eleventh Amendment grants states immunity from certain types of lawsuits in federal court.
- However, there are exceptions where this immunity can be overcome:
*. Congressional Abrogation: Congress can override state immunity if acting under a valid constitutional power (e.g., civil rights violations under the Fourteenth Amendment).
*. Waiver: A state may waive its immunity by consenting to the lawsuit.
*. Ex parte Young Doctrine: Suits against state officials for prospective injunctive relief to end ongoing violations of federal law are allowed.
Are you exploring one of these exceptions in your case?

doesn't congressional abrogation require new laws

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Congressional abrogation does not necessarily require new laws; it means Congress must clearly express its intent to override state immunity when enacting laws under certain constitutional powers, such as the Fourteenth Amendment.
Are you considering arguing that an existing federal law under Congress’s valid constitutional authority abrogates state immunity in your case?

yes, my thought was fundamental rights are protected by the 14th amendment and cannot be violated by an state by any means

You are correct that the Fourteenth Amendment protects fundamental rights and can be used to challenge state actions. However, for Congress to successfully abrogate state immunity, the law must clearly state this intent. Have you identified a specific federal law that you believe supports your argument?

no i am confused, you state it does not require a law, yet you state the law must clearl state this intent, can you clarify

Sure!
- Congressional Abrogation: Congress does not need to create new laws but must make its intent to abrogate state immunity explicit in existing laws enacted under its constitutional powers (like the Fourteenth Amendment).

Are you focusing on a particular aspect of the Fourteenth Amendment in your argument?

yes, due process and equal protection, has congress made made its intent to abrogate state immunity in these circumstances

- Congress has made its intent to abrogate state immunity explicit in certain laws under the Fourteenth Amendment, such as the Civil Rights Act (* U.S.C. § *), which allows suits against state officials for violations of constitutional rights, including due process and equal protection.
Do you think this applies to your case?

no, i am looking for congressional intent that abrogrates state immunity directly against the state, not state actors

To abrogate state immunity directly against the state, Congress must include a clear statement of intent within the statute. Here are some examples:
- Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
- Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA)
- Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
Have you considered if your case could fall under any of these acts?

are there any statutes that abrogate state immunity when the state judicial system violates my rights to due process and equal protection

There are no specific statutes that abrogate state immunity solely for violations by the state judicial system regarding due process and equal protection. However, you might explore whether broader civil rights laws such as the Civil Rights Act (* U.S.C. § *) can indirectly address such violations through state actors.
Would you like more information on how to proceed with a * U.S.C. § * claim?

the state actors are judges

For claims against state judges violating due process and equal protection, * U.S.C. § * can be applicable, as it allows for lawsuits against individuals acting under state law. Here are some points to consider:
- Judicial Immunity: Judges typically have immunity from suits for actions taken in their judicial capacity, except in cases of clear absence of jurisdiction or non-judicial actions.
- Prospective Injunctive Relief: You might seek prospective injunctive relief under the Ex parte Young doctrine for ongoing violations.
Would you like more details on how to proceed with a * U.S.C. § * claim against judges?

are there any ways to sue the state directly for violations of due process and equal protection

- The Eleventh Amendment generally provides states with immunity from being sued in federal court.
- Exceptions:
- Congressional Abrogation: Congress must clearly state its intent to abrogate state immunity in the statute.
- Waiver: The state consents to the lawsuit.
- Ex parte Young Doctrine: Suits against state officials for prospective injunctive relief.
Would you like to explore these exceptions further?

can the federal courts overide state immunity to provide relief

Federal courts can override state immunity in certain situations:
- Congressional Abrogation: Congress can explicitly abrogate state immunity under specific laws.
- Waiver: The state can consent to the lawsuit.
- Ex parte Young Doctrine: Federal courts can grant prospective injunctive relief against state officials for ongoing federal law violations.
Are you considering pursuing injunctive relief or another approach to challenge state actions?

i thought article * of the 14th amendment guarantees no state shall infringe fundamental rights isnt that automatically self executing

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The Fourteenth Amendment does protect fundamental rights, and certain provisions can be self-executing. However, to sue a state directly, the court needs clear congressional intent to abrogate state immunity or the state’s consent.
Are you considering any specific federal laws or constitutional provisions to support your argument against state actions?

it sound like there are none according to what you have cited

It seems you're facing a complex issue regarding state immunity and federal court jurisdiction. You may want to consult with a constitutional law attorney to explore potential arguments or exceptions in your case. Would you like information on how to find a specialized attorney in New York?

is state sovereignty a bar to subject matter jurisdiction in a northern federal district civil court

State sovereignty, under the Eleventh Amendment, generally bars federal courts from hearing cases against states without their consent. However, it usually does not bar subject matter jurisdiction in federal question or diversity cases.
Would you like guidance on potential ways to overcome this bar in your specific case?

yes

To overcome state sovereignty and proceed in federal court, consider these options:
- Congressional Abrogation: Identify federal laws where Congress explicitly abrogates state immunity.
- Waiver: Determine if the state has waived its immunity.
- Ex parte Young Doctrine: Seek prospective injunctive relief against state officials for ongoing federal law violations.
Are you exploring any specific federal laws to support your argument?

why does state immunity usually not bar subject matter jurisdiction in federal district civil court

State immunity usually doesn't bar subject matter jurisdiction in federal district civil court because:
- Subject matter jurisdiction refers to the court's authority to hear the type of case presented.
- State immunity under the Eleventh Amendment specifically protects states from being sued without consent but doesn't negate the court's power to hear certain types of cases like federal question or diversity cases.
Are you looking for more details on any specific federal laws that might be relevant to your case?

yes, this is a federal question civil rights violaton case, so you are saying sovereign imunity doe not bar subject matter jurisdiction

To clarify:
- Subject matter jurisdiction refers to the court's authority to hear a specific type of case.
- State sovereign immunity under the Eleventh Amendment protects states from being sued without their consent. This immunity does not negate the court's power to hear federal question or diversity cases.
Are you currently focusing on a specific federal law related to your civil rights violation case?

can you fined case law citing that immunity does no bar federal question cases

Here are some case laws that clarify that state sovereign immunity does not bar federal question cases:
- Ex parte Young, * U.S. * (*): Established the principle that state officials can be sued for prospective injunctive relief to stop ongoing violations of federal law.
- Alden v. Maine, * U.S. * (*): Reaffirmed states' immunity from private suits in their own courts, but acknowledged exceptions like Ex parte Young.
Is there a specific aspect of your case you'd like more details on?

can you find case law citing that immunity does not bar federal question cases as far as subject matter is concerned

Sure! Here are some cases:
- Verizon Maryland Inc. v. Public Service Commission of Maryland, * U.S. * (*): Held that the Eleventh Amendment does not bar federal courts from hearing federal question cases, allowing suits against state officials for injunctive relief.
- Ex parte Young, * U.S. * (*): Established that state officials can be sued for prospective injunctive relief to stop ongoing violations of federal law.
Do you need details on how to apply these cases to your situation?

can federal courts invoke parens patiae to get around state soverenty when it come to the state violating a citizens rights

Federal courts generally cannot invoke parens patriae to bypass state sovereignty when a state violates an individual citizen's rights. Parens patriae allows a state to sue on behalf of its citizens, but it does not typically apply in reverse. Exceptions such as Congressional abrogation or Ex parte Young doctrine are more relevant.
Would you like more information on these exceptions?

so federal courts do not posess parens patriae powers

Correct, federal courts do not possess parens patriae powers to override state sovereignty when it comes to state violations of individual rights. Instead, consider exceptions like Congressional abrogation or the Ex parte Young doctrine. Would you like more details on how to apply these exceptions to your case?

how would the ex parte young doctrine apply to civil rights violations committed by a state against an individual

The Ex parte Young doctrine allows individuals to sue state officials in their official capacity for prospective injunctive relief to stop ongoing violations of federal law. It bypasses state sovereign immunity by targeting the official, not the state itself.
Would you like guidance on how to structure a claim under the Ex parte Young doctrine?

no, i was looking for monetary relief not injunctive relief

For monetary relief in cases involving state violations of civil rights, consider suing state officials under * U.S.C. § *. This allows for damages claims against individuals acting under state law. Judicial immunity may limit claims against judges, except in cases of non-judicial actions.
Would you like more details on filing a * U.S.C. § * claim?

is the rooker-feldman doctrine overcome if an appeal is pending in state court prior to the filing of the federal complaint

The Rooker-Feldman doctrine generally prevents federal courts from reviewing state court decisions. However, if an appeal is pending in state court when the federal complaint is filed, the Rooker-Feldman doctrine may not apply, as there is no final state court judgment yet.
Would you like more information on this doctrine and its implications for your case?

does the pending appeal have to have merit for the rooker-feldman to not apply

The merit of the pending appeal does not affect the application of the Rooker-Feldman doctrine. The key factor is whether there is a final state court judgment. If the state appeal is pending, Rooker-Feldman typically does not apply.
Would you like more details on how to proceed with your federal case?

in my federal complaint i clearly stated i had a case pending in the state appellate court, does that suffice in overcoming the rooker-feldman doctrine

Stating that a case is pending in the state appellate court in your federal complaint generally helps in overcoming the Rooker-Feldman doctrine, as it indicates there is no final state court judgment yet.
Would you like more information on how to strengthen your federal complaint?

i did state a case was pending in state appellate court but the complaint was still dismissed due to subject matter based on the rooker-feldman doctrine, how can that be

It sounds like the federal court may have misunderstood the status of your state case or there may be other factors at play. Here are some possibilities:
- The federal court might have viewed the state court decision as final.
- The federal court may have found that your federal claims were "inextricably intertwined" with the state court's decisions.
Would you like guidance on how to appeal the federal court's dismissal?

also, i presented documents from the court of appeals stating the appellate decision was non-final, yet these were also rejected, why?

It's possible the court dismissed your case due to a perceived lack of subject matter jurisdiction or because it viewed your federal claims as intertwined with the state court's decisions under the Rooker-Feldman doctrine. You may need to clarify the status and nature of your state appeal more explicitly or consider appealing the dismissal.
Would you like guidance on how to appeal the federal court's decision?

is it better to appeal or ask for relief from judgemet under federal rule *

It depends on your specific circumstances:
- Appeal: If you believe the dismissal was incorrect and you have strong grounds, an appeal might be better.
- Federal Rule *: Use this for relief from judgment if there was a mistake, new evidence, or other grounds specified in Rule *.
Would you like more details on the grounds for relief under Federal Rule *?

is it better to appeal or ask for relief from judgemet under federal rule 60b *,*,*

It depends on the specifics of your situation:
- Appeal: If you believe the court made a legal error, an appeal might be more appropriate.
- Rule *(b)(*, *, *): Use this for relief if there was a mistake (*), new evidence (*), or other just reasons (*).
Are you leaning towards one option more than the other?

yes, rule 60b * as the court used incorrect precedent to conclude the appeal would be untimely, the correct precedent shows the appeal was timely

To seek relief under Federal Rule *(b)(*) for mistake, you can argue that the court used incorrect precedent in determining that your appeal was untimely. This rule allows for relief due to mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect.
Would you like guidance on how to structure your Rule *(b)(*) motion?

yes

To structure your Rule *(b)(*) motion:
- Title and Introduction: "Motion for Relief from Judgment Under Rule *(b)(*)"
- Background: Briefly state the case history and the court’s dismissal.
- Grounds for Relief: Clearly explain the mistake regarding the precedent used to deem your appeal untimely.
- Supporting Evidence: Attach documents showing the correct precedent and how your appeal was timely.
- Conclusion: Request the court to grant relief from the judgment.
Would you like help drafting specific sections of the motion?

yes, the grounds for relief

Grounds for Relief Section:
Grounds for Relief
*. Introduction:
In this section, explain that you are seeking relief from the judgment under Federal Rule *(b)(*) due to a mistake made by the court in applying incorrect precedent.
*. Mistake Explanation:
Clearly state the specific mistake made by the court. For example, "The court incorrectly concluded that my appeal was untimely based on [incorrect precedent] when the correct precedent, as established in [case name], demonstrates that my appeal was indeed timely."
*. Correct Precedent:
Cite the correct legal precedent that supports your position. For example, "According to [correct precedent case], the timeline for filing an appeal in a similar context is [specific time frame], which I adhered to in my case."
*. Timeliness of Appeal:
Provide a detailed explanation of how your appeal adhered to the correct time frame. Include dates and any relevant documentation to back up your claim.
*. Conclusion:
Conclude by respectfully requesting the court to grant relief from the judgment based on the mistake regarding the timeliness of your appeal and to reconsider your federal complaint in light of the correct precedent.
Would you like help with any specific wording or additional sections of your motion?

why would documentation from ny court of appeals stating the decisions were non final be rejected as non applicable to the rooker feldman doctrine

The rejection of documentation from the NY Court of Appeals stating that the decisions were non-final may be due to:
- Misunderstanding: The federal court may have misunderstood the status of the state appeal.
- Intertwined Claims: The court may have viewed your federal claims as "inextricably intertwined" with the state court's decisions, applying the Rooker-Feldman doctrine.
Would you like details on how to clarify the status of your state appeal or further steps to strengthen your case?

the court of appeals merely stated the state case was non final at the time the complaint was filed, how could that be intertwined

The federal court might have viewed your claims as intertwined with the state court decisions if your federal complaint challenges the same issues decided by the state court.
Would you like guidance on how to frame your federal claims to avoid this issue, or on how to argue that your claims are distinct from the state court’s decisions?

yes'

To frame your federal claims to avoid the Rooker-Feldman issue, focus on distinguishing your federal claims from the state court decisions. Here's how:
- Identify Separate Issues: Clearly differentiate your federal claims from the state court issues. Highlight that your federal claims address distinct violations of federal law that were not adjudicated by the state court.
- Federal Basis: Emphasize the federal legal basis for your claims, such as specific constitutional rights or federal statutes, distinct from any state law issues.
- Ongoing Violations: If applicable, argue that your claims involve ongoing violations of federal law that are separate from the state court proceedings.
Would you like help drafting specific language to include in your federal complaint?

the claims against the state involve the state judicial system issuing knowingly wrong decisions against the plaintiff, the federal claims involve claims of civil right violations due the knowingly wrong decisions are they intertwined

Federal claims alleging civil rights violations due to knowingly wrong decisions by the state judicial system can be considered intertwined with state court decisions, thus potentially invoking the Rooker-Feldman doctrine. To avoid this, emphasize distinct federal rights being violated independently of the state court's decisions.
Would you like guidance on how to frame these federal claims more distinctly?

yes

To frame your federal claims more distinctly and avoid the Rooker-Feldman doctrine, follow these steps:
*. Identify Specific Federal Rights Violations:
- Clearly state the federal rights you believe were violated (e.g., due process, equal protection).
- Explain how these rights were violated independently of the state court’s decisions.
*. Separate Federal Issues:
- Emphasize that your federal claims address separate issues that were not adjudicated by the state court.
- For example, focus on the systematic denial of due process rather than the specific state court decisions.
*. Highlight Ongoing Violations:
- If applicable, argue that the federal rights violations are ongoing and not limited to past state court rulings.

Draft Section Example:
Federal Claims:
*. Violation of Due Process (14th Amendment):
- The state judicial system's actions have resulted in a systematic denial of due process, independent of specific state court decisions.
*. Violation of Equal Protection (14th Amendment):
- The state's actions have discriminated against the plaintiff, violating equal protection rights under federal law.
Ongoing Violations:
- The violations of due process and equalprotection are ongoing and continue to harm the plaintiff beyond the state court's rulings.
Would you like additional help with drafting any other specific sections or language for your federal complaint?

if the state court of appeals decided the appellate decisions were non final at the time of the complaint filing doesn't that alone bar the rooker-feldman doctrine

Yes, if the state Court of Appeals explicitly stated that the appellate decisions were non-final at the time of your federal complaint filing, this typically bars the application of the Rooker-Feldman doctrine. This is because the doctrine only applies to final state court judgments.
Would you like help in drafting a motion to reconsider the federal court's dismissal based on this information?

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