Proving Imminent Workplace Danger

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To prove imminent danger in the workplace, especially in confined spaces, gather evidence such as witness testimony, medical reports, photos, videos, and police reports. Ensure your workplace complies with the Confined Spaces Regulations 1997, which require risk assessments and gas readings. If dismissed for raising safety concerns, document your concerns, report to the Health and Safety Executive (HSE), and consider legal advice for unfair dismissal. Even if gas readings werent initially mentioned in your ET1, you can request to include them in court. Highlight the necessity of regular gas monitoring and comprehensive emergency plans to demonstrate serious and imminent danger.

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working in confined spaces

Working in confined spaces can be hazardous. To address imminent danger:
- Ensure your workplace follows the Confined Spaces Regulations *.
- Document unsafe conditions, and report them to your employer.
- Consult the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) for further guidance.
If you need further advice, feel free to ask!

so my employer as dismissed me for refusing to work in a confined spaces as i feel the emergency plan was not sufficient as calling * is not sufficient enough under hse guidelines.

Your situation seems serious, especially if your dismissal was due to raising safety concerns. The Health and Safety at Work etc. Act * protects employees from being dismissed for making health and safety complaints.
- Document your concerns and any communications with your employer.
- File a complaint with the Health and Safety Executive (HSE).
- Consider seeking legal advice on unfair dismissal.
Have you already taken any steps to report this issue?

i have taken steps and have reported this to hse and also going through an employment tribunal

It's great that you've reported to the HSE and are going through an employment tribunal.
To strengthen your case:
- Gather all documentation (emails, reports, witness statements).
- Highlight any breaches of the Confined Spaces Regulations *.
- Consult legal advice for unfair dismissal claims.
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i found many things wrong with the prosscess like the gas reading not being done as i am told it is not needed as it is an open vessel but regardless of this it is classed as confined space and must be done. is this tru

Yes, gas readings are required in confined spaces, even if the vessel is open, according to the Confined Spaces Regulations *.
- Confined spaces must have proper risk assessments, including gas readings.
- Emergency plans should comply with HSE guidelines.
Do you need more guidance on preparing for your tribunal?

what part of the confined Spaces Regulations * says a gas reading is required in confined spaces even if it is open

The Confined Spaces Regulations * state that a gas reading is required in confined spaces, even if open. Specifically, Regulation * addresses the need for suitable and sufficient risk assessments, which includes testing the atmosphere for harmful gases.
Would you like more detailed advice on preparing for your tribunal?

yes please

To prepare for your tribunal, consider the following:
- Regulation * of the Confined Spaces Regulations * covers risk assessments, which include the need for gas readings.
- Gather evidence of non-compliance by your employer.
- Collect witness statements supporting your claim.
Would you like assistance with anything specific for your tribunal preparation?

what would be a sufficient emergency plan for a confined space

A sufficient emergency plan for a confined space should include:
- Detailed risk assessment specific to the confined space
- Continuous gas monitoring
- Clear communication system
- Trained rescue personnel on standby
- Rescue equipment (harnesses, breathing apparatus)
- Regular emergency drills
Do you need help with any other aspect of your tribunal preparation?

yes

Sure, what specific aspect of your tribunal preparation do you need help with?

i need to prepare a statement that proves the wrongdoing and the misconduct by not having a sufficient emergency plan and not doing gas readings

To prepare your statement, you can follow this structure:
*. Introduction:
- Briefly explain your employment and the nature of your work in confined spaces.
*. Statement of Facts:
- Describe the specific incidents where emergency plans were insufficient and gas readings were not conducted.
- Mention your observations and experiences regarding the lack of safety measures.
*. Regulations and Standards:
- Cite Regulation * of the Confined Spaces Regulations *, emphasizing the need for risk assessments and gas readings.
- Reference the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act *, which mandates employers to ensure employee safety.
*. Evidence:
- Include witness statements, emails, and any reports that support your claims.
- Attach documentation of your communication with your employer and the HSE.
*. Conclusion:
- Summarize the lack of compliance with safety regulations.
- State the impact on your safety and the rationale for your actions.
Would you like help drafting any specific part of this statement?

yes please

Sure, I can help with drafting specific parts of your statement. Let's start with the Statement of Facts:
Statement of Facts:
- Incident Description:
On [specific date(s)], I was assigned to work in [specific confined space]. During these times, I observed that the emergency plans were insufficient. Specifically, the only emergency plan in place was to call *, which I believe does not meet the HSE guidelines for confined spaces.
- Lack of Gas Readings:
Despite the confined space being an open vessel, gas readings were not conducted as required by the Confined Spaces Regulations *. This omission poses a significant risk, as harmful gases could be present without detection.
- Personal Observations:
Throughout my employment, I continuously noticed the lack of proper risk assessments and safety measures. My concerns were not addressed adequately by my employer, leading to my refusal to work under unsafe conditions.
Would you like assistance with another specific part of your statement?

if we agree that there is a chance that no gases are there do i still have an argument

Yes, you still have an argument. Even if there's a chance that no gases are present, the Confined Spaces Regulations * require risk assessments and safety measures, including gas readings. The absence of these assessments and a proper emergency plan can still demonstrate negligence on the part of your employer.
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if i did not say something in my et1 can i still use this in court

Yes, you can present additional evidence or arguments in court even if they were not included in your ET1 form. However, you should inform the tribunal as soon as possible and may need to request permission to include this new information.
Do you need help with how to request this permission?

yes

To request permission to include new information not mentioned in your ET1 form, follow these steps:
*. Prepare a Written Request:
- Address it to the tribunal.
- Clearly state why the new information is relevant and why it wasn't included in the ET1.
*. Submit Your Request:
- File your written request with the tribunal office handling your case.
- Ensure you also send a copy to your employer's legal representative.
*. Await Tribunal Decision:
- The tribunal will review your request and decide whether to allow the new information.
Would you like assistance in drafting the written request?

so in my et1 i mentioned about the emergency plan and nothign else can i still bring up gas reading and confined spaces regulation

Yes, you can still bring up the gas readings and Confined Spaces Regulations in court, even if they weren't mentioned in your ET1. Inform the tribunal as soon as possible and request permission to include this new information.
Would you like help drafting the written request for this purpose?

s to say what danger this actually caused, why such danger was serious and imminent and could not be averted and also what should have been in place to remove this alleged danger. They are nothing more than bare assertions and this is despite the Claimant being given a further opportunity to set these matters out.

It sounds like you're preparing to clearly demonstrate the imminent danger and the deficiencies in your employer's emergency plan. To address the tribunal's concerns, you need to:
*. Detail the Danger:
- Explain specific risks due to lack of gas readings.
- Highlight potential gases that could be present.
*. Serious and Imminent:
- Describe how undetected gases can quickly create hazardous conditions.
- Use incidents or near-misses as examples.
*. Averting the Danger:
- Emphasize the necessity of gas readings and proper emergency plans.
- Suggest what measures should be in place (e.g., regular gas monitoring, trained rescue teams).
Would you like help drafting these points in your statement?

yes please

Sure, let's break down each point to help you draft your statement effectively.

Detail the Danger:
- Specific Risks Due to Lack of Gas Readings:
"Without gas readings, undetected hazardous gases like carbon monoxide or methane could be present. These gases can cause serious health issues or even be fatal."
- Potential Gases That Could Be Present:
"Common gases in confined spaces include carbon monoxide, methane, hydrogen sulfide, and oxygen deficiency, all of which pose significant health risks."

Serious and Imminent:
- Undetected Gases Creating Hazardous Conditions:
"Undetected gases can quickly build up to dangerous levels, creating an immediate risk of poisoning, asphyxiation, or explosions."
- Examples of Incidents or Near-Misses:
"On [specific date], I experienced [incident/near-miss], which could have been prevented with proper gas monitoring."

Averting the Danger:
- Necessity of Gas Readings and Proper Emergency Plans:
"Regular gas readings and comprehensive emergency plans are essential to identify and mitigate risks promptly."
- Measures That Should Be in Place:
"The emergency plan should include continuous gas monitoring, trainedrescue personnel, proper ventilation, and clear evacuation procedures."
Would you like help drafting any specific part of this information into your statement?

my manager said we do not need to do gas reading but need to wear a gas monitor

Wearing a gas monitor is part of the safety measures but does not replace the need for initial and regular gas readings as per the Confined Spaces Regulations *.
To strengthen your statement:
- Specific Risks Due to Lack of Gas Readings:
"Without initial and regular gas readings, harmful gases could accumulate unnoticed, posing risks like poisoning or explosions."
- Potential Gases That Could Be Present:
"Gases such as carbon monoxide, methane, and hydrogen sulfide could be present and hazardous."
- Serious and Imminent Danger:
"Undetected gases can rapidly reach dangerous levels, risking immediate harm to workers."
- Examples of Incidents or Near-Misses:
"On [specific date], I noted an incident where the lack of gas readings could have led to hazardous conditions."
- Necessity of Gas Readings and Proper Emergency Plans:
"Regular gas readings are essential to identify risks early. Proper emergency plans, including continuous gas monitoring and trained rescue teams, should be in place."
Would you like help drafting any additional parts of your statement?

The Claimant has done very little to clarify the actual serious and imminent danger that he is relying on. We submit that the Claimant is simply trying to make out his position now in order to seek to bring this claim, but this is not satisfactory. The Claimant may well now be seeking to set out what he says are alleged failures in protocol or that the safety training was somehow not adequate (despite not giving any information as to how this was not adequate or how this caused serious or imminent danger) but his thought process now is of no relevance to the claim that he is advancing. The claim that he is advancing is solely based on whether he can reasonably believe that there were circumstances of serious and imminent danger and he has simply failed to set this out.

To address the tribunal's concerns about serious and imminent danger:
Detail the Danger:
- Specific Risks Due to Lack of Gas Readings:
"Without initial and regular gas readings, harmful gases like carbon monoxide or methane could be present unnoticed, posing risks like poisoning or explosions."
- Potential Gases That Could Be Present:
"Common hazardous gases include carbon monoxide, methane, hydrogen sulfide, and oxygen deficiency."
Serious and Imminent Danger:
- Undetected Gases Creating Hazardous Conditions:
"Undetected gases can quickly build up to dangerous levels, causing immediate risk of poisoning, asphyxiation, or explosions."
- Examples of Incidents or Near-Misses:
"On [specific date], I noted an incident where lack of gas readings could have led to hazardous conditions."
Averting the Danger:
- Necessity of Gas Readings and Proper Emergency Plans:
"Regular gas readings and comprehensive emergency plans are essential to identify and mitigate risks promptly."
- Measures That Should Be in Place:
"The emergency plan should include continuous gas monitoring, trained rescue personnel, proper ventilation, and clear evacuation procedures."
Would you like helpwith drafting any additional parts of your statement or further guidance on your tribunal preparation?

The Claimant is – in essence – suggesting that the open air should be tested in an open piece of machinery and such a position is unreasonable and unrealistic. It is submitted that the Claimant cannot consider that there were any circumstances or serious or imminent danger at the time when he refused to work.

To address the tribunal's concerns and strengthen your position, you can focus on the following key points:
- Specific Risks Due to Lack of Gas Readings:
"Without initial and regular gas readings, harmful gases like carbon monoxide or methane could accumulate unnoticed, posing serious health risks or even fatal consequences."
- Potential Gases That Could Be Present:
"Common hazardous gases in confined spaces include carbon monoxide, methane, hydrogen sulfide, and oxygen deficiency."
- Serious and Imminent Danger:
"Undetected gases can quickly build up to dangerous levels, leading to immediate risks of poisoning, asphyxiation, or explosions. Even if the space is open, the confined nature can trap gases."
- Examples of Incidents or Near-Misses:
"On [specific date], I observed conditions where the lack of gas readings could have led to hazardous situations, highlighting the urgent need for proper assessments."
- Averting the Danger:
"Regular gas readings and comprehensive emergency plans are essential for identifying and mitigating risks promptly. The emergency plan should include continuous gas monitoring, trained rescue personnel, proper ventilation, and clear evacuation procedures."
Would you like help drafting any additional parts of your statement orfurther guidance on your tribunal preparation?

For the rescue plan – again it is confirmed that first aid would be provided to an individual whilst the emergency services were contacted. The rescue plan allowed for this and this has already been expressly put to the Claimant. The Claimant has failed to say why the use of a “Stand-By Man” – a person who literally watches the individual within the machine at all times and can provide immediate first aid or contact the onsite first aider is in any way inappropriate. Equally, it is not clear how this caused serious and imminent danger to be present at the time when the Claimant refused to enter the ballistic separator.

To address the tribunal's concerns and strengthen your position, focus on these points:
- Specific Risks Due to Lack of Gas Readings: "Without initial and regular gas readings, harmful gases like carbon monoxide or methane could accumulate unnoticed, posing serious health risks or even fatal consequences."
- Potential Gases That Could Be Present: "Common hazardous gases include carbon monoxide, methane, hydrogen sulfide, and oxygen deficiency."
- Serious and Imminent Danger: "Undetected gases can quickly build up to dangerous levels, leading to immediate risks of poisoning, asphyxiation, or explosions. Even if the space is open, the confined nature can trap gases."
- Examples of Incidents or Near-Misses: "On [specific date], I observed conditions where the lack of gas readings could have led to hazardous situations, highlighting the urgent need for proper assessments."
- Averting the Danger: "Regular gas readings and comprehensive emergency plans are essential for identifying and mitigating risks promptly. The emergency plan should include continuous gas monitoring, trained rescue personnel, proper ventilation, and clear evacuation procedures."
Would you like help drafting any additional parts of your statement or further guidance on your tribunal preparation?

As previously stated that Claimant entered the ballistic separator on many occasions – he spent extended time in the machine and was comfortable enough to take photographs on his phone whilst inside (which he has disclosed). It is also an agreed fact that he entered the ballistic separator the day before his refusal to do his normal work and also on the day of his refusal to retrieve an item. This shows that he did not reasonably believe that there were any circumstances of serious or imminent danger. Equally, he has not explained why there was any difference in circumstances from one day to the next enough to give him protection under s.*.

To address the tribunal's concerns and strengthen your position, consider highlighting the following:
*. Inconsistent Safety Measures:
- Explain why the safety conditions might have changed, emphasizing that even if you entered the ballistic separator before, it doesn't negate the presence of potential dangers on subsequent occasions.
*. Lack of Gas Readings:
- Stress that without consistent gas readings, the atmosphere's safety cannot be guaranteed, posing serious risks.
*. Serious and Imminent Danger:
- Clarify how undetected gases can quickly create hazardous conditions, emphasizing the necessity for continuous monitoring.
*. Emergency Plan Deficiencies:
- Argue that relying solely on a stand-by person and calling * is insufficient. Highlight the need for trained rescue personnel and proper equipment on-site.
Would you like help drafting any specific part of this clarification?

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Sure, let's work on clarifying these points in your statement:

Inconsistent Safety Measures:
- "Although I entered the ballistic separator previously, safety conditions can change rapidly. The lack of continuous gas monitoring means that unsafe conditions could arise at any time, making it unreasonable to assume that past entries were always safe."

Lack of Gas Readings:
- "Without regular and thorough gas readings, it's impossible to ensure the safety of the working environment. This negligence increases the risk of exposure to hazardous gases, which can be present without being detected."

Serious and Imminent Danger:
- "Undetected hazardous gases can quickly build up to dangerous levels, posing immediate risks like poisoning, asphyxiation, or explosions. Continuous monitoring is crucial to identify and mitigate these dangers promptly."

Emergency Plan Deficiencies:
- "Relying solely on a stand-by person and calling * is insufficient because it does not provide immediate and specialized response. A proper emergency plan should include trained rescue personnel, appropriate rescue equipment, and continuous gas monitoring to ensure immediate action can be taken in case of an emergency."
Would you like any further details or revisions on these points?

The Claimant was provided with the risk assessments and routinely confirmed that he was happy with them and worked to them. Once again, it is manifestly unreasonable for the Claimant to now change his position. He has not set out what in the risk assessments caused there to be a serious and imminent danger which could not be averted.

To address the tribunal's concerns about your change in position regarding risk assessments, you can clarify the following points in your statement:
*. New Observations:
- "Upon further observation and experience, I identified specific deficiencies in the emergency plan and the lack of regular gas readings, which were not apparent initially."
*. Risk Assessments:
- "The risk assessments did not adequately account for the potential accumulation of hazardous gases or provide sufficient emergency procedures, as required by the Confined Spaces Regulations *."
*. Serious and Imminent Danger:
- "The absence of continuous gas monitoring and a comprehensive emergency plan created a serious and imminent danger that could not be averted, emphasizing the need for immediate corrective actions."
Would you like help drafting any specific parts of your statement?

yes please

Sure, let's draft these points in your statement:

New Observations:
- "Upon further observation and experience, I identified specific deficiencies in the emergency plan and the lack of regular gas readings, which were not apparent initially. My concerns about these issues grew as I became more aware of the risks involved."

Risk Assessments:
- "The risk assessments provided did not adequately account for the potential accumulation of hazardous gases or the necessity of regular gas readings. They also failed to outline sufficient emergency procedures, as required by the Confined Spaces Regulations *."

Serious and Imminent Danger:
- "The absence of continuous gas monitoring and a comprehensive emergency plan created a serious and imminent danger. These deficiencies could not be averted without immediate corrective actions, highlighting the urgent need for compliance with safety regulations."
Would you like further assistance with any other part of your statement or any additional guidance for your tribunal preparation?

yes please

Sure, let's work on drafting the specific parts of your statement:

New Observations:
"Upon further observation and experience, I identified specific deficiencies in the emergency plan and the lack of regular gas readings, which were not apparent initially. This new understanding came from my continuous work in the confined spaces and the evolving conditions that highlighted these risks."

Risk Assessments:
"The risk assessments provided did not adequately account for the potential accumulation of hazardous gases or provide sufficient emergency procedures. According to the Confined Spaces Regulations *, regular gas readings and comprehensive emergency protocols are mandatory, but these were lacking in the assessments I initially reviewed."

Serious and Imminent Danger:
"The absence of continuous gas monitoring and a comprehensive emergency plan created a serious and imminent danger that could not be averted. This negligence emphasizes the urgent need for immediate corrective actions to ensure the safety of all workers involved."
Would you like any further details or revisions on these points?

To address the tribunal's concerns about the necessity of gas readings in an open piece of machinery, consider clarifying:
*. Regulations and Requirements:
- "Despite being an open vessel, the Confined Spaces Regulations * require regular gas readings to ensure worker safety in confined spaces."
*. Potential Hazards:
- "Harmful gases like carbon monoxide or methane can accumulate unnoticed, even in open confined spaces, posing serious health risks."
*. Consistency in Safety Measures:
- "Regular gas readings are essential for identifying and mitigating risks, ensuring consistent safety protocols regardless of the vessel's openness."
Would you like help drafting any additional parts of your statement or further guidance on your tribunal preparation?

yes please

Sure, let's draft the additional parts of your statement to address the tribunal's concerns:
*. Regulations and Requirements:
- "Despite being an open vessel, the Confined Spaces Regulations * require regular gas readings to ensure worker safety in confined spaces. These regulations are designed to protect against the accumulation of hazardous gases, which can occur even in open environments."
*. Potential Hazards:
- "Harmful gases like carbon monoxide or methane can accumulate unnoticed, even in open confined spaces. These gases pose serious health risks, including poisoning and asphyxiation, which underscores the necessity for regular gas monitoring."
*. Consistency in Safety Measures:
- "Regular gas readings are essential for identifying and mitigating risks. Ensuring consistent safety protocols, regardless of the vessel's openness, is crucial for maintaining a safe working environment and preventing potential hazards."
Would you like any further details or revisions on these points?

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